Main Line Commodore Users Group Newsletter

Supporting : Amiga - C64/128 - PC/Linux

**** JUNE 1998 *************************************** ISSUE #193 ****

VILLANOVA UNIVERSITY, ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER

MEETING STARTS - 09:30 - JUN 13

NOTE! SECOND SATURDAY!


THIS MONTH'S CONTENTS
MAIN LINE 64/128/PC USERS - Room 110

For starters, we'll catch up on any news and handle general questions and problems. Then, we'll turn to the Commodore side of the house - with an opportunity for questions, problems and, hopefully, answers. During this session, we want to sample attendees interests in topics for our upcoming meetings (demos, tutorials, hardware, software - let us know what your interests are).

For the PC portion of the meeting, we want to pick up where we had planned for last month; namely, "getting started with your PC". Many of you are just starting; so we want to show and tell. Also, deal with questions and problems from our new (and not-so-new) attendees. See you there, we hope!!

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MAIN LINE AMIGA USERS - Room 210

Due to the low turn out and the less than two hour time limit imposed on our May meeting, we did not abide by our intended agenda. Instead we tended to have a general discussion of topics.

So, for our June meeting we will continue from where our presentation ended in April. That is, we will continue our review of ImageFX through the use of the Catalyzer video tape. Like April we will watch a section of the tape and then replicate the presentation on the Amiga 1200. Unlike April, we will be using the latest version of ImageFX, version 3.0 instead of version 2.6.

[FINALLY, news from Gateway on their Amiga intentions!]

(continued on page 8)


WATCH THE MEETING DATES!!

Beginning this month and continuing thru October, our meetings will be scheduled for the SECOND SATURDAY of the month. This change is being made because of the confluence of the Fourth of July and Labor Day holidays, plus end of school year festivities at Villanova. Please mark your calendars and re-check the dates in each newsletter.


DIRECTIONS FOR ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER MEETING ROOMS

For the foreseeable future, we will continue with our monthly meetings in the St. Augustine Center at Villanova University. The 8-bit and PC meetings will be in Seminar Room 110 and the AMIGA meeting in Seminar Room 210.

Please be sure to enter the campus from the ITHAN AVENUE main gate, then proceed to the 2-level parking building adjacent to the St. Augustine Center, on the Ithan Avenue side. Note, you may have to enter the building via the front door, as shown in the following sketch:

NOTE: maps on our webpage - http://astro4.ast.vill.edu/mlcug/index.html

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64/128/PC/Amiga Meetings  1998  Steering Committee Meetings
                      June 13 *                         June 17 **
                      July 11 *                         July 15 **
                    August 08 *                       August 12
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 EDITOR: Emil J. Volcheck, Jr.   1046 General Allen Lane
                                 West Chester, PA 19382-8030

(Produced with C-128/SCPU 128, RAMlink, HD-40/85, 1571, FD-4000, THE
WRITE STUFF 128, XETEC Super Grafix, Canon BJ-200ex, Swiftlink and
Motorola 288 modem)

           MLCUG BBS: 610-828-1359 (300 --> 28800 bps), 24 hr/day


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ANNOUNCEMENTS & SPECIALS
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WELCOME TO - our newest member, Brad Ross, an Amigan with systems experience. He got a free lunch for his visit (as did all who went to lunch after the last meeting - the result of a committment from member Ted Dean!). Hope to see Brad at future meetings.

CONGRATULATIONS! - to long time member, Chauncy Westbook, our latest 50/50 RAFFLE WINNER! Treasurer, Stew Stewart, will sponsor a 50/50 at each meeting for all attendees.

AMIGA'S FUTURE - be sure to take a look at John Deker's column - beginning on p.8. There is a substantial item on the recent FIRST announcement from Gateway computer as to how they are thinking to use the Amiga technology they bought. We have been waiting a long time for this!

COMMODORE 8-BIT - while we are talking about future, if anyone gets a clue as to what the future for the Commodore 8-bit technology is - let us know! We did learn that, apparently, the buyer of that package (whatever it is) is the former Netherlands subsidiary of Commodore International (maybe?).

VTECH, Inc. - Vtech a local supplier of ribbons, inkjet inks and other such printer supplies - run by Gene Beals, an early strong resource for Commodore users, has moved to bigger quarters. The new address is: 1487 Sumneytown Pike, Lansdale PA 19446. The new phone numbers are: 215-362-3300 and (fax) 215-412-3656.

SUPER CPU 128! - on p.11 of last month's newsletter, we had our first listing of experiences with how the SuperCPU 128 performs with various applications. I had planned for a part 2 for this month, but our club members with SCPU's have not come thru with enough new experience data. So, I'll continue to gather as it becomes available and publish an update when I have enough for a decent column.

I urge our SCPU owners (4-128 and 2-64) to let me know what they learn - good and bad about their systems and SCPU units.

NEWS FROM THE INTERNET - the internet is loaded with news and information (not all of it reliable) and Commodore does not lack for such sources. One (called tifcu - The Internet For Commodore Users) you may find of value - as long as you have an email account somewhere - is the Commodore listserv moderated by Gaelyn Gasson and sponsored by Video cam in Australia and Brain Innovations in the US.

Like all list servers, you subscribe to the service (free) and get emailed all the postings to the list (including any that you choose to make). If you would like to get access to this one, send an email message to:

listserv@mail.jbrain.com

In the first line of the message, type the following:

subscribe tifcu firstname lastname

Where firstname and lastname are yours. If it goes thru, you will receive an email acknowledgement. In a day or so, you will start receiving packets of postings to the list.

There will be samples of the packets at the next meeting for your examination.

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DISKOVERY: THE GLOATING MONTH
by Fender Tucker
[extracted from LOADSTAR 64, issue #167]

For the past few months I have been walking around the LOADSTAR Tower with one eye over my shoulder and the other on Peter Rokitski, former Mojo of Softdisk for the Apple IIe. This rather uncomfortable position was due to Peter's not-so- subtle hints that I may come to a nasty end [before] LOADSTAR passes Softdisk to become the world's hoariest disk magazine ever.

Uh oh. I just showed the previous paragraph to Jim Weiler and he said that I may have to change his listing on the LOADSTAR masthead to "archfiend" from "archfriend" since he, too, was a Mojo for Softdisk for the Apple IIe. He and Peter took special pride in Softdisk's 166- issue record for disk magazine longevity and vowed that no upstart "Commodore" magazine would overtake Softdisk -- at least not without at least one attempted murder.

But despite these two formidable foes, known throughout the Apple world for their cutthroat efficiency and decadent drollery, LOADSTAR and its longtime editors (Jeff and I) have survived -- indeed, thrived -- and now LOADSTAR takes its place as the longest-lived disk magazine in the history of the planet.
And there's no end in sight!

So I'd like to take a month to gloat about this inspiring feat. The Apple computer preceded the Commodore by a year or two and Softdisk began the Apple disk magazine about 30 months before LOADSTAR was started in 1984. As long as Softdisk was being published, LOADSTAR had to live with a number about 30 less than Softdisk did, and it was difficult. But now the shoe of megalomania is on the other foot...and it fits quite nicely, thank you.

So I hope you'll join me in patting ourselves on the back -- after all, we couldn't have done it without you, our dedicated readers -- and looking forward to extending our all-time record, perhaps to the height of 200 issues or more. There may be disk magazines with more issues in the future, but I doubt it; the future seems to be media-less. Computing has turned into telecommunicating and online shopping. I can't see people wanting things on disk (or even CD) when optical cables can bring everything directly to your TV. Let's face it; a computer used to be an alternative to watching TV -- now it's the same thing.

But enough of the future. With this issue, LOADSTAR becomes the hoariest disk magazine ever and it's going to keep getting hoarier. I, for one, like the grey, Gabby Hayes look.

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JARGON RULES!

One of the joys of the modern computer age is the endless supply of acronyms and jargon to use and confuse. Here are some common ones:


AMIGA     = A Merely Insignificant Game Addiction
APPLE     = Arrogance Produces Profit Losing Entity
CD-ROM    = Consumer Device - Rendered Obsolete Monthly
COBOL     = Completely Obsolete Business Oriented Language
DOS       = Defective Operating System
IBM       = I Blame Microsoft
ISDN      = It Still Does Nothing
MACINTOSH = Most Applications Crash, If Not The Operating System Hangs
MICROSOFT = Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only Fools Teens
MIPS      = Meaningless Indicator of Processor Speed
PCMCIA    = People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms
SCSI      = System Can't See It
WINDOWS   = Will Install Needless Data On Whole System
WWW       = World Wide Wait

By the way, I forgot to add that the modern computer age is also an endless supply of "humor"! Need I say more?

[wisdom courtesy of DoctorMike@aol.com - who has a seemingly infinite source]

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FOR SALE: C-128 outfit, with flat 128 plus JiffyDos, 1571 and 1581 disk drives 1902A RGB monitor, Supergrafix printer interface, Mach 128 cartridge, Epyx Fast Load (for 64), modem and much software! Any reasonable offer will be considered, call Tom Johnson, 610-525-3440.

FOR SALE: MLCUG has a lot of hardware and software that is available for you to purchase at very attractive prices! We'll have detailed lists at the next meeting - here is some of the hardware, the software list is too long to show!


6      computer - C-64 w/PS          $25
18     disk drive 1541 - various     $20
1      interface - Cardco            $ 5
1      interface - MSD               $ 5
6      joystick                      $ 2
1      modem - Panasonic 1200 bps    $10
1      monitor - amber - Panasonic   $10
1      monitor - screen filter       $ 5
1      plotter - Commodore 1520      $10
2      printer - Commodore 1525      $10
2      printer - Commodore 803       $10
2      printer - color - Okimate 10  $10
1      printer - Okimate 120         $20
1      printer - Star Gemini II      $25
2      computer - VIC-20             TBD
1      64K RAM/video for VIC-20      TBD
1      computer - Plus4              $25

NOTE: you can read or download a more complete listing from MLCUG/MLAUG's BBS. You can contact Charles Curran to order any items of interest (610-446-5239).

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64/128/PC MEETING
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For the May meeting, we had a shortened session as the University had need of the seminar rooms for final exams, giving us barely two hours. As a result, we skipped trying to do any formal demos. The meeting was mostly a (free) flowing discussion and Q & A - which got rather active (!) at times.

As usual, we had a (short) discussion period for our Commodore users. This was followed by a question period mostly from our newer PC users - struggling with the behavior of their (complicated) new Windows 95 machines. It appears that we can serve a very useful function to members by allowing plenty of opportunity to deal with such questions. The more significant information we'll try to capture in the newsletter. As a sample of this direction, note the following item.

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YOUR NEW PC - WHAT'S FIRST?
By Emil Volcheck

Years ago, the owner of a new IBM or compatible computer was greeted, on powerup, with an enigmatic A> prompt, with blinking cursor. This was reportedly very obscure and confusing. If you got a Commodore, then you were greeted with a friendlier prompt: READY with a blinking cursor (this is friendly???).

Now, however, with a new PC, you are most likely to be greeted with Windows 95 and some "friendly" icons and the helpful word : START. With, of course, no indication as to what to start ...

Oh well, once you know you are to click, or double-click, the mouse cursor on these friendly objects, things begin to move.

As you start learning your new system, there are things you should do - and likely many questions about what to do. We hope that the Q & A demos in our monthly meetings will help.

We are trying to tackle the club's new PC, just as you might. Here are some things we did, or may be doing - ask about them at the meetings:

  1. inventory all software & manuals (and store safely!)
  2. take the Win95 tutorial (START, HELP, 10 Minute Tutorial)(consider getting a full tutorial)
  3. install a remover (ours Remove-It 95)
  4. install anti-virus (ours Norton AV)
  5. change 2-button to 3-button mouse (I like to avoid double-clicks!)
  6. make an emergency/rescue disk!!!
We will review each in future meetings. Members are invited to share their thoughts and experiences with all of us. "What did you do right in the beginning?"

NOTE: any opinions expressed above are those of the editor! They are subject to change from either new knowledge or persuasion from the members!
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COMPUTER BIG LIE #9 - "This old computer isn't good for anything". It used to be that the kids got the old computer. Now, the very things kids want to do with a machine - like playing the latest version of DOOM - demand the newest and fastest computers. But, an old computer is a great thing for a business to have around as a backup in emergencies or for word processing, the least demanding of all applications.

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DEFRAGGING YOUR HARD DRIVE!
By Emil Volcheck

If you have been a user of a hard disk drive on a PC or a Mac, you (should) know about defragging. Defragging is shorthand for defragmentation - or putting all the files on the hard drive back together and nesting them next to each other. Purposes: speed up file access and increase efficiency of using your hard drive space.

HOWEVER, if you are a user of a Commodore style hard drive (mainly the CMD HD series of drives, tho the older Xetec Lt. Kernal drives are probably similar), it is possible that no one mentioned it to you. This in spite of the fact that these drives are no more immune to fragmentation than any other computer hard drive.

Unfortunately, there appear to be no software tools to aid you in defragging your CMD hard drive - as there ARE for those OTHER computers. You have to do it the hard (no pun intended) way!

I have a CMD HD-40/85 hard drive (that is an HD-40 case, with an 85 MB internal hard drive), which has been used for years without ever being defragged. Even tho I originally set the drive up with a "defragger" partition when I first got it. I was thinking that some day I might actually want (or need) to defrag the drive and this would make the process easier.

Where does the defragger partition come in? Well, to make a long story short - the largest size partition you can have on a Commodore (excluding Commodore's "other" computer, the Amiga) style hard drive is 16 MB. Hence, if you have a hard drive larger than the earliest 5-10 MB hard drives for Commodore computers, you have to partition it. This is extremely easy to do with the HD-Tools utility that comes with the CMD drives.

So, as soon as I had my CMD drive working, I deleted ALL the partitions it had - leaving a (vast!) 85 MB wasteland - as most of it could not be accessed. Then I created four (4) 16 MB partitions (each with 65,000+ blocks available) - using up 64 MB of the 85 MB available. I left the remainder available for smaller partitions (like 1541, 1571, 1581, etc.) for special uses. Brilliantly enough, I named the partitions "disk 1" thru "disk 3" and "defragger". The latter name was to remind me that the fourth partition was not for data - but for that day in the future when I do want to defrag!

On 1998 May 28, that day arrived! The first partition on the HD had been used all these years for saving gazillions of small files (mainly daily email and buffer capture files from BBSs' and the internet). These had been saved, edited, deleted and resaved, etc., etc. An ideal process for fragmenting files. So, here is what I did:

  1. I backed up to archive floppies (mainly 1.6 MB disks in CMD native format - like a PC or Mac uses) all the files I wanted to keep, but did not need accessible on the HD anymore. Depending on how many you want to keep, this can take some tiiimmmeee!
  2. then I deleted all those files and the subdirectories they were in.
  3. copied to the "defragger" partition all the subdirectories of files that needed to be back on the original partition when I was finished. This is also a slow step - even with the help of the SCPU.
  4. did a quick format of partition 1 - which deletes ALL the file storage information, leaving an empty partition with 65,216 blocks free - again.
  5. copied back - from defragger - those subdirectories (and their files) that needed to be back in partition 1. Each file copies back in a single, "contiguous" disk area, all of them packed together with no empty blocks between.
Job completed - with 52,213 blocks free - and nice empty subdirectories for all the future file downloading (of which there is more and more these days)!!!

What is next? Well, there is partition 3 - with all my word processing files that have been saved, edited, resaved, deleted, etc. for all these years, too!
Not tomorrow - maybe next week (month? year?)!

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YEAR 2000 READY? - II
From: John Deker

I did a simple compliance test on my A2000 with A2386 BridgeBoard. Here's what I found using the transition date from 31 Dec 1999 to 1 Jan 2000.

A2386 BridgeBoard - a PC hardware emulation for the Amiga. It uses a real 386SX & uses the Amiga for I/O emulation support of keyboard, mouse, floppy & hard drive in my case.

PASSED Case 1 of previous msg
PASSED Case 2 of previous msg
FAILED Case 3 of previous msg; Case 2 becomes the Y2K work around

A2000 - test of Amiga Operating System
The Amiga passed all 3 cases.
Other Y2K test issues to be addressed.

Last time, I did not discuss concerns related to databases. For an operating system this would include the sorting of files by date stamp. At question here is whether the operating system will sort files and place year 2000 files before or after 1998 & 1999 files.
So, here are some additional concerns:

  1. Sorting by date
  2. Archiving issues
  3. Compression routines such as ZIP, LHA, & other system compression routines. For convenience, they sometimes truncate the date stamping & use only the last 2 digits of the year.
  4. Encryption routines, see compression routines. Encryption sometimes uses the date function. Will you be able to decrypt your important docs?
  5. File write-over or replacement. Will the system know that "00" is a newer file than "99"?
  6. Old file deletion. Will our BBS know the difference between the year 2000 & 1900. Will it automatically delete "00" msgs before "99" msgs? How about users who log on in 2000? Will it think users with a year 2000 date stamp have not logged on in over 6 months & automatically delete current active users?
Can you think of any other scenarios?
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By John Deker, AMIGA SIG Leader

THE BIG NEWS - THE FUTURE OF THE AMIGA

The following INet posting was sent to me by Bill Bacon, who I would like to thank. It's a report on the May 15th presentation in London by Gateway and Amiga International at the World of Amiga show.
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Here's my (rather hurried) report on Friday's announcements. It's based on the notes I made at the time, plus additional details I remembered, plus some clarifications I got later from Fleecy Moss and Joe Torre. It could probably be improved quite a bit, but I haven't got time to do that right now.

There are logs of the IRC conferences that took place, where Fleecy and I reported on the show and answered some questions, at:
<URL:
http://www.primenet.com/~jweb/woa98news.html>.
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The presentation took place in a large hall on the first and second floors of Novotel. Petro Tyschtschenko was first to speak; he began by presenting gifts to the World of Amiga organisers (Peter Brameld and Norah Hodgson). Then he summarised what Amiga International had been doing in the past year, mentioning shows, the website, new licenses, the success of Amigas in the Indian video market, and continuing sales of Amigas for kiosk systems.

Jeff Schindler then stepped up to make the announcements we were all waiting for (well, except those journalists who had been to the lunchtime event). He thanked Petro, and then introduced the Amiga Inc employees present. Marilyn Flint (Manager), Joe Torre (Hardware Engineer), and Darreck Lisle (Events Coordinator) were all there. Gateway was represented by Jim Collas, Senior Vice President, and Steve Johns, Head of Corporate Development. Jeff then announced three new employees - Fleecy Moss (Project Manager), Dr Allan Havemose (Head of Technology and Development), and Bill McEwen (PR).

The business plan that has now been approved for funding by Gateway is the 15th in a series of refinements by Jeff. Unfortunately not all of it could be revealed as some details (about a third of the information that was intended to be announced) have yet to be agreed with outside companies. The rest is expected to be finalised within about a month.

Jeff Schindler showed a series of slides (using Powerpoint, sadly) summarising his points. I noted down much of the content of these so I could remember what was said. The key question for Amiga is, how can it regain a lead? The next question that can be asked is, what defines an Amiga? Amiga Inc decided it was not specific technologies, but the vision: awesome technology, freedom of choice, an enthusiast following, a worldwide community, and so on. So the goals for future Amiga technology are these: ease of use, affordability, high- performance multimedia, an open architecture, evolution to meet new standards, and of course fun.

What is the market that Amiga can attack now? Amiga Inc identified the so-called "digital convergence" market. This is the fusion of Internet access, digital media and entertainment, with real computers underneath, of course. It is predicted that there will soon be an electronic paradigm shift, with ubiquitous digital appliances. Among products that might run AmigaOS in the future are: Internet appliances, games machines with Internet and DVD support, set-top boxes, sub-$500 computers, combined TV/game/computers for the bedroom or kitchen, PC/TVs, and of course the conventional tower, desktop and portable computers.

To do this, AmigaOS needs to run on cheap, fast hardware. Amiga Inc has discovered, through Gateway's connections, a chip in development that can offer incredible speed at a low price starting from next year. (It's being kept secret by the company developing it - apparently, partly for fear of losing their current good relations with Intel before the chip is in production.) Quoted performance statistics were: 5-10 times faster than current high-end PC hardware, 400 million pixels per second 3D rendering (in 24 bit colour, with whatever 3D effects you want), and decoding of 4 MPEG2 streams at the same time. It can also support high-speed Internet access using ADSL or similar protocols. Of course hardware isn't everything. Amiga Inc will need to provide breakway OS technology - "convergence-ware" that will be perfectly suited to the sort of new products that were mentioned above. This will mean a new OS core and new APIs.

The next slide showed how Carl Sassenrath had reacted to the news. He was present at a demonstration of the predecessor to this chip, along with Amiga Inc, and reportedly said: `It will be fun to again see the Amiga "blow the socks off" everything else that is out there.' He said that REBOL Technologies will support the new AmigaOS, which might interest you...

Now comes the controversial bit. There is a long way from the current (1992/93) Amiga OS and hardware to this new cutting-edge chip and an OS with "convergence-ware", and that jump needs to be made in 18 months. The plan is to do this in two steps. Current technology - AGA, OS 3.1, and 680x0 - is described as "Amiga Classic". The first step from this will be to the "Amiga Bridge", which will consist of an x86 PC running OS 4.0, with an optional "Amiga Classic" bridge card. This will be the development platform for the next step. The use of the bridge card means that it can also run existing programs very fast, so it may well be useful to non-developers too. The second step is to OS 5.0 running on a new architecture in "digital convergence" products (which still include conventional computers). This will be basically software- compatible to the last 4.x release.

What are the building blocks for these two steps? Backward compatibility is provided by the bridge card (based on the Siamese or InsideOut PCI cards in development) or by UAE (which should run just fine on the new chip!). For the development platform, an OS kernel will be licensed from another company to save time. The choice of kernel is yet to be announced. All along the way, there will be software upgrades to meet future standards. The backing of the Amiga developer community is an essential.


The software timetable is as follows:
Developer program begins   Q3 of 1998
OS 4.0 release          November 1998
OS 5.0 ready                late 1999

The developer program will be handled by ICOA together with Amiga Inc. It will provide support for porting applications and creating native applications for OS 4/5. Developers will also be involved in the process of designing APIs for the new platform. Developer kits and complete systems (PC + bridge card + OS) will be available from Amiga Inc. There was a meeting on Saturday morning where an outline of OS plans was presented, but for the time being that information is not public.

Key targets for OS 4.x will be: OS 3.1 compatibility; advanced multimedia performance; support for open standards (such as OpenGL); real-time, threaded, protected, pre-emptive multi-tasking; a new GUI; full Internet support. I believe the planned features for OS 3.5 will be included in 4.x. OS 5.0 will be the final result of all the additions made to OS 4.0, but will run on the new chip instead of on x86 PCs.

There was brief mention of the importance of user groups and the existence of the UGN as an interface to Amiga Inc - though not an exclusive one. There was a UGN meeting on Sunday morning, but I didn't go to that. Jeff also sought to reassure Amiga distributors that there was still plenty of opportunity to sell "legacy" software and hardware, because new developments will retain backwards compatibility. The possibilities for new products are of course greater.

Next to speak was Dr Allan Havemose, the new Head of Technology and Development. He has previously worked for Commodore-Amiga, building up the European developer network, and leading the OS development team for releases 2.1-3.1. He didn't add much to what Jeff Schindler had said, and unfortunately I didn't take notes of what he did say!

Some more details that came out in response to questions. (These aren't verbatim, but a combination of my notes and memory.)

Q. Why aren't you supporting the PPC as a development platform?
A. We're negotiating with P5 for support for the PPC. There should be news in a month.

Q. How do you plan to get a new kernel etc all in place by November?
A. We're teaming up with another OS corporation to use their kernel. BeOS, Java OS, Linux and others are under consideration. (Note, this is just for OS 4.0.)

Q. What happened to OS 3.5?
A. OS 3.5 has been dropped. We looked at the plans and realised it wouldn't be worth doing, when we need to get OS 4.0 done by November.

Q. How can a little company like Amiga Inc get access to this mystery chip? And who is making it? Intel?
A. Gateway and its business partners are negotiating for the rights to use this chip. We can't say who is making it, but it's not Intel.

Q. What will Amiga Inc do to get PC software companies to port to the Amiga?
A. We can use Gateway's contacts to try to persuade them to allow these ports, and we will support Amiga developers who want to work on them.

Q. Who's making the bridge card, and what processor will be on it?
A. Mick Tinker and Steve Jones are working on it. It can use a 68040 or 68060.
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If you have either software or hardware for your Amiga that has taken your fancy, please bring it to our attention. I'm sure your specific interests will be of interest to others. Let me know if this is the case at the next meeting, or leave me email on our BBS. Remember, a user group is only as rewarding as the sum of the efforts of its individual members.

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